John (Don't know his last name) at OK Cupid said I could put lyrics up here in case someone wanted to try to come up with music to go with them.
I guess this is being offered as an Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives license. I don't want my lyrics altered, unless I am consulted and agree to any changes.
I had an idea for a tune that I could share if someone wanted to play with that as well, but the tune would need a bit of work to be interesting.
Best Wishes,
Sheryl
<b>Online Dating</b>
Seeking a suitor at your computer,
One girl is smarter, another is cuter.
One guy is kinder, another is wiser;
One's a big spender, another's a miser.
One is a thinker, another's a looker.
One girl's so sleazy you'd think she's a hooker.
Chorus:
It’s online dating,
The newest form of mating.
The easy way to find a spouse.
Don’t even need to leave your house.
Just type a bit and click your mouse
To find the perfect match.
So many choices and so many faces.
So many people in so many places,
(Yet) John's too persistent, Bob's inconsistent,
Dave doesn't shave, and Danny's too distant.
(And) then there is Eric who's way too generic.
(Still), anyone's better than Daniel or Derek.
Chorus
So you dissect, reduce and compare them,
Rip them to shreds, torment them and scare them,
Rank them and rate them, tease them and bait them,
Drag them through hell, then don't even date them.
(From) Gary to Larry, from Barbara to Alice,
So many people, you start to grow callous.
Chorus
Some people like you, some people hate you
Some are just happy if they can debate you.
Some will affect you; some will reject you;
Misplace a comma and some will correct you.
(So) when they're annoying, coy, or flirtatious,
Just bite your tongue and try to be gracious.
Chorus--Twice
©2007 Sheryl Zettner
Hi, Sheryl!
This is John, aka Talysman the Ur-Beatle. Welcome to the Cartel!
I'm sure someone will get around to these lyrics soon. There's kind of an enormous backlog right now, but I think this song would work well with another song idea I had, "57-Way Love Triangle" (which isn't written yet, but it will be, eventually.)
57-Way Love Triangle. Hahaha :-) That sounds like a fun idea for a song!
Did you see calamarichris's post on the need for calling two way relationships "monoamorous" relationships? I thought that was great.
I guess with 57 participants, it would technically be something like pentheptamory. Hahaha :-)
There would be lots of good rhymes for that as well. Let me know how it goes. :-)
Did you have an idea for a melody, or at least a rhythmic pattern? Do you have a decent voice and are you willing to record it? (Don't worry about carrying a tune - we have the technology to fix that.)
Hello Major Zed,
Well, I had an idea for a melody, but it's kind of lame. (I think the chorus sounds too much like the main part of the song. Music writing isn't my strong point.) Maybe someone could re-work it if they don't have their own ideas?
My singing voice sounds good with a little reverb anyhow. X-) I'd have to get my audio software reinstalled on my new computer if I were to record anything though. I'll work on that tonight. Thanks for looking at it.
Sheryl
Reverb we got!
Maybe if you put together a short audio or MIDI file (one verse, one chorus) we could work on the melody first.
I use Sonar or Acid, but that doesn't really matter because we can always share WAV or MIDI files no matter what you use. Since a stereo WAV file is 10MB per minute, and my ISP isn't real generous, I prefer files-upload.com as a (big) file transfer medium. Example: http://files-upload.com/files/222706/SchrodingersCarRSV.mp3
Also, if you enter your name followed immediately by ## and a password string, your name will show on the post as followed by !! and a generated id string. Once you've established your id, it will be harder for someone else to spoof your posts.
OK, cool. :-) I'll try to put something together ASAP. I just switched computers recently, and I am just now getting the software installed on to this new one, so I'm not sure whether that will go smoothly or cause me some irritation. We'll see. Might be easier, as I will have more USB ports to play with this time. :-)
PS BTW, where exactly would I be uploading files to? Hahaha
Use your own ISP or get a free account at files-upload.com (or some other such solution like yousendit.com) and then let us know the URLs of the files. That's for transient stuff. I tend to put finished product on music.download.com etc.
Finished stuff can also be linked here from a transient url and I'll grab it and upload it to interrobangcartel.com as soon as I can.
OK, this is just to give you a VERY, VERY ROUGH idea of a potential tune. To me at least the tune is CRAP at this point and doesn't even quite fit the rhythm of the lyrics. :-(
I had a real hard time singing it because I didn't entirely have a firm idea on how the melody should go to start with, which made trying to repeat it for 4 stanzas a total bitcher. Hahahaha Plus, I think it's in the wrong key for my voice, and I accidentally switched keys in the second stanza. Oops!
IN OTHER WORDS, THIS SOUNDS LIKE SHIT. Hahahaha But at least it should give you a vague idea of what I thought could be done with it.
And as long as I am giving a long list of excuses, I don't sing acappella worth 2 cents. :-( Ouch
http://files-upload.com/files/457474/onlinedating.WAV
Honestly, I can sing much better with background music. It helps me keep in tune and to a consistent beat. And I sing much better when I actually have a firm tune in my head, as opposed to a vague idea for one.
Thanks,
Sheryl
OTOH, it might just be a bad tune for my voice. In fact, in some places the tune even fit the words quite right.
PS I just offered this melody to stimulate ideas. I don't actually like it (at least not the way it is.) I'm just more of a lyric person.
Whoa... this is going a bit fast for me... Don't be surprised if it takes some days before I can get you some feedback on this. But be assured, I am interested.
Hahahaha. It was going a bit fast for me too. :-D I was just trying to keep up with your suggestions.
Maybe at some point I will re-record it so it doesn't sound so lousy (or try to figure out the music in midi or something.)
Thanks for showing interest in the project. If nothing else, it was good to get motivated to reinstall my music software on my new, used computer, which I had been avoiding doing because my old computer had gotten so cranky (flaky monitor on an iMac.)
So what are you running for s/w?
Did you have a "vibe" in mind for this? The acapella suggests the soft end of the spectrum (Joan Baez on acoustic guitar; Nora Jones behind a huge piano) but the subject matter cries out for something more techno. I'm hearing a dance beat with modern technopop backing (Kat DeLuna's Whine Up or Run The Show?).
I like the first 7 bars of the melody; bar 8 "another's a miser" I'm not sure about. Bars 9-11 are ok and bar 12 has the same problem as 8; they both go down and drain energy from the song. Maybe if instead of AABBCCDE it went AAAABBCC. I dunno. Still pasting it into SONAR to really see what's going on.
Think about the vibe.
I'm using Metro on an old iMac in OSX (10.4.9.)
Dance beats are always good. :-) I was trying to make it energetic, but maybe I didn't pull that off. lol
The problem I had with thinking up an energetic melody to this was that the 6 line stanza is a bit long. That slows it down some.
That's why I was trying whip it up with a faster rhythm that unfortunately clashes somewhat with the natural rhythm of the words in some places.
But if you are hearing a dance beat, maybe you have a better idea of how to pull off what I wanted than I could figure out. Because I do definitely want it to have as much energy as possible. :-D
Metro, huh? Interesting. Originally from Cakewalk. I wonder if it's compatible with Cakewalk's other formats, like the one I'm using (*.cwp).... At least we can share WAV and MIDI files.
Right about the 6 lines, but I think we can make it work. OK, so we go in an energetic dance direction....
Yeah, that's the one. :-) It's Sagantech these days, although I started using it when it was still Cakewalk. But if I recall correctly, Cakewalk stopped supporting Mac software.
I don't think Metro does .cwp files these days, but I could be wrong. It saves its projects with an .ovv extension though.
Here's (http://download.yousendit.com/319808C4425D92FA) a ZIP file containing an MP3 of the first 4 lines that suggests how this might sound; it's there mostly to show how to keep to the beat. There is also the beginning of a MIDI version of the melody. I'm probably not going to be able to do much on this in the next few weeks. If you fill out the MIDI (only really need one verse, one chorus) maybe we can bounce ideas back and forth.
Awesome, thanks!!!! I'll work on it on this end. Much appreciated. :-D
Random thoughts. (1) How to let the lyrics breathe. Here's a demo with two ways: http://download.yousendit.com/B579C3407893562D
I suppose both could be used in the song, using one as a changeup to relieve boredom. And/or alternate with the "breathless" style and/or save that style for the chorus and/or make the chorus or part of it breathe even more... Lots of options. (2) The standard 12-bar blues chord progression with turnaround (I-I-I-I, IV-IV-I-I, V-IV-I-V) can be adapted here by mapping the bars to the two halves of each of the six lines in the verses. Then do something else (consistent) in the chorus. That's all for now....
Hey, thanks for the file! I'll take a listen this evening. :-)
I need to get to work on that midi. Got distracted last night. (It's hard to have my mic working properly and not want to play with it--hahahaha) Oops! Thanks again! :-D
It occurred to me that IBC is supposed to be a punk rock band. That inspired this iteration: http://download.yousendit.com/A6A9A69657E3C76C
However, the vocals aren't really right here; they should be about twice as fast! If you went this route, then maybe it would be so breathless that the "energy drain" I complained about in >>15 would be a welcome relief....
>>24 Punk is but one of the flavors!
Let me know if I can add to this. I am always happy to put in some guitar tracks as needed.
Thanks! I'm liking the punk idea the more I think about it, and it would be great to track you on some punk riffs when the time comes.
Thanks for the files. I hadn't gotten much done the last few days because I'm helping my folks get ready to take a trip to Scotland/Ireland, so things are a bit chaotic. But I am going to get on it shortly. :-)
In terms of punk, I kind of like the kind of punk that's closely akin to new wave. Not really sure what all the distinctions are there.
I personally liked the first half of the breathe demo one better, but maybe it's the drum beat I am partial to. But pretty darned cool. :-)
Also like the echo-ish affect of that one. Pretty darned cool. Makes the singing sound much better than it was too. :-D
Hey Major Zed,
This is off topic, but you wouldn't consider mixing a song that I already recorded, would you? For ages I have had a song file with the harmony track, but when I tried to mix them initially something went haywire. The timing on the words didn't match with the music, even though I recorded the singing listening to the music.
I think my computer didn't convert the file right off the CD or something, but you seem to be able to do awesome things with straight audio that I can't do.
My friend who is getting a PhD in music helped me with the harmony, so it's super cool (I think), but the song remains unmixed. It's not remotely punk though.
It's not a big deal if you don't want to, but the way you made my voice sound cool in those files was really impressive and something I couldn't do.
Actually I just tried to remix this other song myself, and it sounds much better than last time. So I don't know if I need help on it or not. I need to remix with a better audio track, but at least I think it is in time this time round:
http://ia341209.us.archive.org/3/items/PatriotCall-mixOne/patriotver1.mp3
Timing sounded good on "Patriot". You must have done something right this time. But in general, yes, I would consider producing tracks you (or other people) recorded, as long as (1) I get "produced by" credit wherever you end up putting the song and (2) you're not in a hurry to get the final product.
I thought punk made sense for O.L.D. because it's usually fast enough to carry the 6-line verses. Wouldn't have to be hardcore punk; could be power-pop or just about anything, really, as long as it had a fast beat and the words went by fast. Even rap or hip-hop could work. (I'm pretty eclectic with popular music genres in my own songs.) Eventually, it would be good if you could name a song (or two) that kinda sorta sounds like what you would like your song to sound like...
p.s. I deleted the same post as #32 because I left the name field blank and it came out "George Clossisadge" (or something like that)!
Cool on the mixing bit. :-)
A speedy beat's good, but not so fast that people can't follow the words. Otherwise there's no point (for me at least.) Also I wouldn't break up the rhyme too much either because it's there to add energy.
If it were rap or hip hop, someone else will have to sing it because I would probably spew midstream. Hahaha Hey, I'm from the 80s generation! Hahaha
So what are some examples of power-pop, so I can see what you have in mind there? Is there something I could listen to on youtube or something? Sorry, I'm not always great with music labels. :-/
In the spirit of Green Day.
Just Drums and Guitar: (verse, short bridge, chorus) X 2
http://www.spaceroom.org/music/Interrobang/OD_DrumsGuitar.mp3
I won't feel bad if this is nothing like what you are looking for.
Yes, power pop! Especially at the higher BPMs. This does the first couplet at the original 105bpm, then 120, 135, and 150. I think something a tad over 135 is about right:
http://download.yousendit.com/DAE1261D4E1543DC
(a.k.a. OLD_guitar_demo_105_120_135_150bpm.mp3)
New version at 135 bpm, same link >>37
Feels pretty good at that speed.
I like that example, Charlie. Thanks! Oh yeah, that's way cooler. Kind of like the halfway point between Rush and Blondie. :-)
Just listening to that second file. Oh, that sounds really cool!!!! Is it just me? I think that's seriously awesome.
Man, yall can do some amazing things with midi!!!!! That's pretty damned impressive!!! :-) I like.
My main computer died today when all the applications started at once. I'm going to have to sort that out. Talysman gave me some ideas to try out, but my apologies for taking so long to reply.
Also the parents just took off for their trip to Scotland and Ireland today.
I like that power pop sound on this. Way cool!!!
Oops, looks like I forgot to post my name in the blank. I guess I am Wesley Pepperway today since it said I need a password to delete the comment. Hahahaha
It's always good to have an alias. :-D
PS You guys turned a really lousy day into a great one. I'm still in awe after hearing that file.
Oh, and just as vote, I liked it at 120 bps the best, although the 135 wasn't too bad.
So far, I don't think there's any MIDI! Correct me if I'm wrong, but ?Charlie did drum loops and live guitar. And I did some basic chopping & squeezing on audio files.
Speaking of MIDI, though, I guess we'll have to wait for that MIDI transcription, until your computer is back up. :-(
>>44 You are correct. Live guitar and drum loops.
These guitar patterns are pretty simple. It would not be difficult to turn them into a couple of loop audio files as well.
Then whoever uses them can play with the speed a bit. (I assume that MZ did that for the multi speed sample file.)
Ohhh OK, I thought you had based it on that midi file you started for me. I was wondering how you managed to get it to the timing of my singing. However it was done, it sounded cool. :-)
If worse comes to worst, I can start over on the midi on my OS9 computer. I have an older version of Metro on it as well. It just doesn't work as well. Assuming that file you uploaded, is still downloadable.
Sorry for the delay! :-(
No, that's expired. See if this works...
http://home.comcast.net/~majorzed/OLD01.mid
Thanks!!! Got it! It's loaded on my OS9 machine and is working (knock on wood.) I'll do it today. Thanks again. Sorry for the hassle.
I'm still working on this.
I'm not really good with notation, so some of this is turning out harder than I anticipated because of the timing. But I am working on it.
Given up on fixing my main computer for now, but the notation seems to be working fine in my OS9 version of Metro. (That won't work for audio though, but hopefully I'll have thinkgs sorted out before that is an issue.)
Take your time. Nobody's getting paid for this. Again, all you really need to do for starters is one verse and one chorus. Then we can play what-if with it. Only much later should we consider variations across the song, breaks, etc.
OK, will do.
Gee, Wes, that's nice of you to help out Sheryl ;-)
We'd get more done if Wesley wasn't so damn hot!
I'm starting on this as my next project now. If I don't get any more vocal input, I'm going to "operate" on Sheryl's contribution, aiming at a 135 BPM powerpop/punk format. I don't intend to change the lyrics, nor the melody of the verses (just a bit of the rhythmic phrasing0, but I'm thinking the chorus melody should change drastically. I'll post a MIDI of what I have in mind eventually. I could morph Sheryl's VOCAL into a new chorus, but maybe it would be better to start with a new recording of the chorus if possible :-). Charlie, if you could eventually send me your guitar work without the drums, that would be helpful, too - no rush, though.
I glanced at this a few days ago but I missed the last part asking for the guitar stuff. Sorry about that. I will put that together this evening.
Any idea how to get Sheryl's attention?
?!C - thanks for the guitar stuff. I'm distracted by the RW now, but will probably be looking for more guitar eventually.
I told Sheryl what's up, not sure why she isn't posting here. As far as vocals go, she has a computer problem at the moment and is unable to record. This may change by the time you have a MIDI, though.
I'll remind her when the MIDI's up, in case she forgets to check here.
Hi, Sorry I have been away. As talysman says, I've been having computer problems. My apologies for just disappearing.
Yes, the music I had done sucks, and I couldn't figure the notes out properly in midi either. There was something about the timing I had mind that just wasn't converting over right.
I'm sure whatever you have in mind would be an improvement.
Thanks for everything!!!
Sheryl
I did some nip & tuck with the first verse and chorus; I'm going to hit it with Melodyne soon and use that to come up with a MIDI version to analyze the possible chord sequences. Watch this space....
OK, there's some stuff in http://boxstr.com/browse/majorzed/534949_PxFmM. The _MD1 files are after pitch tweaking with Melodyne. The _vocalonly WAVs are just the vocals whereas the _fullmix MP3 has the drums and guitars, too. After pitch tweaking, I believe the intended sung melody is as follows. Let's talk about what it should be.
"Online Dating" - lyrics and melody by Sheryl Zettner
Seeking a suitor at your computer,
E E D D C# E E D D C#
One girl is smarter, another is cuter.
F F E E D E F F E E D
One guy is kinder, another is wi-iser;
G# G# F D# D# F G# G# F F D# D#
One's a big spender, ano-other's a mi-iser.
C C C# E E E E C# C# C# C# A# A#
One is a thinker, ano-other's a loo-ooker.
F# F# G# A A A A G# G# F# F# E E
One girl's so sleazy you'd thi-ink she's a hoo-ooker.
C# C# D E E E E D D C# C# B B
[Chorus:]
It’s online dating,
C# C# D# E E
The newest form of mating.
D# C# B B G C# B
The easy way to find a spouse.
G# A G# F# G# A G# F#
Don’t even need to leave your house.
G# A G# F# G# A G# F#
Just type a bit and click your mouse
A A A# C# D# E D# C#
To find the perfect match.
G# G# G E D# E
Quick update - It's looking like the right thing to do harmonically (i.e. minimum changes necessary) is to set it up in the key of A Major, with the verses doing the following chord progression:
C#m DM AM C#m7 F#m7 C#m7
III IV I III7 VI7 III7
This means more pitch-tweaking is in order on lines 2 (a bit), 3 (everything up one semitone) and 4 (quite a bit).
Charlie, can you tell me what you were playing in the guitar comp? The next rendering will probably have a MIDI organ background to make the chords stand out.
Here is the guitar progression.
Verse using Barre Chords
A G C D (with a brief slide to C)
A G C F
1 repeat
Bridge
F F
Chorus
E G A D (with slide to C)
E D A (with bends on low G) gives the effect of A G A G
1 repeat
Thanks!
OOOOKay! It's better to hit piano keys than computer keys when working out musical ideas. Here's my recommendation for melody and harmony:
http://boxstr.com/files/1524495_nnzta/OLD02midi.mid
This covers the first verse and chorus; the rest would basically follow this pattern, possibly with some changeups here and there. If you play it in Winamp, you should be able to see the lyrics along with it. There are a few seconds of silence up front (for no good reason) and in between the verse and chorus and inside the chorus (for guitar fills). The bass track plays the root of the recommended chord. The verse is in AMajor, the chorus is in EMajor. The tempo is 135BPM.
Sheryl: the range is an octave and a half, from Eb3 to A4, but I think that's what you sang before. Would you be interested in giving us a new recording?
Charlie: I haven't thought about the guitar parts yet - I like what you did already, but need to figure out how it fits in harmonically. So not asking for a new track yet...
Anyone: comments welcome.
Here's another take on online dating I wrote last month...
MSN Facebook Drama Queen
Websites are your only friends
Chatlines help you make amends
While strangers see your perfect smile
from profile images you compile
Every second of every hour
your inbox is your only power
when empty online off you go
in search of others to devour
Avoiding what is face to face
You make your friends in cyberspace
Promoting sexuality
Through virtual reality
Messenger texting narcissist, you run like child
when things aren't best
your online friends are just a lie
They don't care if you live or die
Perfect love when you control
a person using digital
most passive and most perfect rape
to make you whole, to make you great
emoticons, a smiley face
xo means in that special place
silence means that you're too lame
to meet and (talk) away the pain
Your facebook love is just a myth
Which brags about the one you're with
As status soon to be updated...
“Relationship is complicated”
©2007 Chris Michael
At any cost
Using any means
MSN facebook drama queen
Hey, Chris...
If you want to add a new song to the Interröbang Cartel repertoire, it's better to start a new thread. This is just until the wiki comes back up, so we can keep track of open projects and transfer the info to its own page, when we're able.
Also, what is the licensing status of your song? Your name looks new, so I'm not sure how much you know about the Cartel. Are you contributing lyrics under the Creative Commons license, as described here:
http://www.interrobangcartel.com/copy.cgi
Are you an ARK regular under a different name? Just curious.
Hey, thanks for re-writing the music! I'm going to take my computer to get fixed soon.
I can't record anything till I get it fixed, but I will be doing so shortly. But yes, I'd love to record it once I can. I can't even get the midi to work right on this stupid computer I've been borrowing.
Sheryl - while you're waiting for MIDI capability, why don't you download this to your iPod:
http://boxstr.com/files/1634389_wyteo/OLD_fullmix_v1c1_demo_MD2.mp3
Focus on the melody and harmony; this is not what the final Power Pop product is going to sound like in terms of tone.
?!Charlie - I still haven't figured out what to ask for in the guitar department. Maybe I should just trust you to look at the MIDI and comp something brilliant - that's worked in the past!
I am assuming the midi is from >>66.
I will take a look at it and see if I can get some ideas.
Yes. Thanks.
Sheryl - are you open to any mods to the lyrics?
I have a question about the notation in the MIDI file.
I notice that you I, II, VI, V.
Do these correspond to the scale modes?
I Ionian
II Dorian
IV Lydian
V Mixolydian
My theory is pretty weak so it may take some deciphering.
In the key of AMajor (verse), I=AMajor chord, II=Bminor chord, III=Cminor chord, IV=DMajor chord, V=E7, etc. In the key of EMajor (chorus) it's EMaj, Fmin, Gmin, AMaj, B7, etc. I'll put up a CWP file with more detail later tonight - I have an interesting idea for the transition between verse and chorus. However, with distorted guitar (and I do want distorted guitar!) you're probably better off sticking with power chords (tonic + 5th) anyway.
?!Charlie - this is (almost) what created the last mp3: http://boxstr.com/files/1666712_qjnbm/OLD03a.cwb It has the MIDI for the chords the organ is playing in the background. The new thing is the use of the F#minor at measure 16 - this is known as a pivot chord because it makes sense in both the AMaj and EMaj keys, so functions as a transition between them. Be patient; this sucker's 22 megabytes.
Hey, ?!Charlie - thanks for the new guitar track. We can really make this work. I'm beefing up the bass part next (up to now it's just a placeholder for the chords).
Sheryl - How's it coming? Think you might record the vocals again in the next few months? I asked about lyrics earlier because of one specific thing, so might as well spill it here.
"Seeking a SUITOR at your comPUTER" has this really neat internal rhyme that adds a lot to the song. "So many choices and so many faces" and "So you dissect, reduce and compare them" and "Some people like you, some people hate you" do not, and I think it would be great if they did.
Let's see... faces... faces... Would one of these work?
BASES
BRACES
CASES
CHASES
LACES
MESA'S
PLACES
RACES
SPACES
TRACES
VASES
OK, I cheated here. There's a cool rhyming dictionary freely available at http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/rhyme.htm
(But don't use PLACES - that's the obvious one.)
I kind of like CHASES since it links to the whole pursuit of relationship theme.
Sorry for the delay, but I finally got my computer back and running. Yea!!!!!
The preferences on my audio program seemed to have gone haywire, but I should be able to record something soon. Let me just check out these files
From those words you listed, chases is the one that leaps out at me. Let me look back on the lyrics and see what I can figure out.
I'll get back to you as soon as I get my audio program back in shape.
Sorry it's taken so long to get my computer fixed. I feel like a major flake. :-/ I just didn't know how to fix it, and I don't have the money. But my last attempt seemed to have mostly preserved my data while fixing the problem. :-)
Smiles,
Sheryl
That's odd. I don't see my last comment I made yesterday. Anyway, I got my audio program working again, and my computer is back up. Now I just need to learn this new melody.
Hey, Major Zed,
Got a question. I was just listening to the midi trying to adjust my head to the minor changes. When I get to the second stanza, do I leave the same gap as you have at the beginning of the song? Or is that just for the intro?
Because it could just as easily be for some intermediary guitar, I suppose. And in fact, I made the mistake on one of my previous song attempts of not putting any breaks between a long stream of singing, and man was that hard to sing!!! Hahahaha
Once again, my apologies that computer was out of commission for so long. Fixing it just beat me so many times that I stopped trying for a while, but it seems to be its old self again. :-D
Smiles,
Sheryl
I've been trying to learn the melody from the midi. It's all cool, except in the 10th bar. I guess it's A# in your version, but I think it should end with an F. Is that ok. The other is confusing to sing. It just doesn't sound right to me. Thanks!
Here's an MP3 that I just threw together real quick to give you a rough idea of what it might sound like (and I included my changed note):
http://www.mailbigfile.com/d4f0106edf524d5edc3843d3b1c04afb/listFiles.php
Not sure how long that file will be retrievable at that site, but I can always send it again.
Whoa! I step away a couple days and 5 more posts! I just downloaded your MP3; will listen to it and go over your other points and get back to you. No apologies needed... glad you're back in operation!
Hi, Sheryl - thanks for dealing with the changes. My advice to you is to do it in whatever way is most comfortable and feels like the best for you. Putting in a gap or not doesn't matter on the production end - that's totally flexible. It's probably better for you to leave it in. Ditto for changing notes here and there (not too many!) - whatever sounds best to you.
In a more practical vein, please, please, please don't throw anything away. Record multiple takes. Do it however you feel more comfortable - do multiple takes of a stanza, or multiple takes of the whole song, whatever. (I generally do a couple of song runthroughs and then go back and redo selected portions, but that's me.) But send it ALL, every bit of it. Your raw vocal track will be pure gold when it comes to assembling the ultimate take. Even the worst-sounding error has potential for an interesting fill or backing, so DON'T THROW ANYTHING AWAY. Wav format is preferred, but if you must compress to MP3, can you use 320 kpbs?
I have to tell you, I was pretty impressed with the first a capella you did. There is something about the tone and emotion that came through there, a sense of yearning, that I hope comes through again. If it feels too rushed at 135 BPM, record it a bit slower, say 125 or even 120 - we can handle that in production, too. Picture yourself fronting a punk band really cranking it and sing out along with them.
Summary
(1) sing it the way you want to sing it, even slower if that feels right
(2) record multiple takes and send it all, every bit of it
(3) stand proud and sing it out! you're going to be a star!
So you dissect, reduce and compare them,
compare:
AWARE
BEAR
CARE
DARE
DECLARE
DESPAIR
FAIR
IMPAIR
PAIR
PARE
PREPARE
REPAIR
SCARE
SNARE
SPARE
STARE
THEIR
THERE
WEAR
WHERE
Some people like you, some people hate you
hate:
ADVOCATE
ANTICIPATE
APPRECIATE
CREATE
CULTIVATE
DATE
DECORATE
DEDICATE
DEFLATE
DISSIPATE
DOMINATE
DONATE
EDUCATE
ELEVATE
FASCINATE
GRATE
GREAT
IMITATE
INFLATE
LATE
LUBRICATE
MOTIVATE
OBFUSCATE
OPERATE
OVERSTATE
OVERWEIGHT
PENETRATE
PLACATE
POPULATE
RATE
SATURATE
SEDATE
SPECULATE
STATE
STRAIGHT
SUFFOCATE
TABULATE
UPDATE
VACATE
VALIDATE
VIBRATE
VIOLATE
WAIT
WEIGHT
A couple more things... First, you probably figured out you don't need to sing all occurrences of the chorus. But for the last chorus, give it a big Broadway finish. Maybe sing different notes, going up. Definitely hold that last word "match" for much longer than the regular choruses.
Second, here's what's important. (1) emotion and expression. (2) timing. (3) hitting the right notes. (3) is definitely a distant 3rd, and even 2 is not that important. (1) is the important one. Don't even worry about the others. Timing and pitch we can correct in the studio. Emotion and expression are still solely the province of the human heart.
Hi Major Zed,
OK, I'll record several times in wav format. I just didn't think the first time I recorded it would be worth anything other than making sure you liked the way it sounded, especially since I changed a note there.
In terms of maintaining the internal rhyme throughout the song, my thought would be that that MIGHT work IF it can be done with natural language all the way through. And if it doesn't become singsong.
I had a poem once where I tried to have internal rhyme every other stanza, and I never did like it because the rhyme didn't add that much extra energy. And yet, in order to maintain a 4 way rhyme pattern within the meter, things ended up sounding awkward and forced. Here, let me show you the pattern, so you can see what I mean:
"You're dangling lies before my eyes
Betraying all my trust
I can't disguise that doubts arise
To things which we've discussed.
You fear I'll know what you won't show
Manipulate your mind
Are you so slow to think I'd go
And stab you from behind"
So it had lots and lots of internal rhyme, but it ended up kind of strange in some parts, like that "you fear I'll know what you won't show" is pretty lame. In that sense, I think too much structure can detract if it's too difficult to maintain. We'll see. It might work. Wouldn't hurt to experiment
Anyway, I'll start practicing the song and recording some wav files (assuming I have wav.) The default on my program is aif.
Thanks!!!! :-)
PS In terms of the internal rhyme, I suppose it can be done. Here are some possibilities. Let me also ask around and see whether people think this is better:
So many faces and so many chases,
So many people in so many places....
---------------------------------------
So you compare them, torment them and scare them,
And though you don't like them, you don't even spare them...
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Some people hate you while some try to mate you,
Some are just happy if they can debate you.
Was just thinking on that last stanza that it might be a bit repetitive to use the word "mate" since "mating" is in the chorus. Maybe instead:
Some people hate, some will sedate you,
Some are just happy if they can debate you.
PS Thanks for the kind words about my singing. :-)
I'm going to change "from Gary to Larry" to "from Bob to Rob" because there are two many syllables in the Gary to Larry. Works fine in a poem or even singin a cappella, but I can't even begin to squeeze that in to digitized music that keeps to time. Hahaha
Use your judgment on the lyrics - they're yours, after all - I was just making a suggestion. And I'm pretty sure I can handle AIF if that's an issue on your end.
I think your idea works actually. I was just a little concerned it might not because I have had problems from being overzealous with the rhyme in the past, but the changes you suggested actually made it easier to fit the rhythm in the tune.
Here's how I re-wrote it to fit the melody:
Online Dating
Seeking a suitor at your computer,
One girl is smarter, another is cuter.
One guy is kinder, another is wiser;
One's a big spender, another's a miser.
One is a thinker, another's a looker.
One girl's so sleazy you'd think she's a hooker.
Chorus:
It’s online dating,
The newest form of mating.
The easy way to find a spouse.
Don’t even need to leave your house.
Just type a bit and click your mouse
To find the perfect match.
So many faces, so many chases.
So many people in so many places,
Yet John's too persistent and Bob's inconsistent,
Dave doesn't shave, and then Danny's too distant.
And then there is Eric who's way too generic.
Still, anyone's better than Daniel or Derek.
Chorus
So you compare them, torment and scare them
And though you don’t like them, you don’t even spare them
You rank them and rate them and tease them and bait them,
Drag them through hell, then you don't even date them.
From Bob to Rob, or from Barbara to Alice,
So many people, you start to grow callous.
Chorus
Some prospects hate you, some will sedate you
Some are just happy if they can debate you.
Some will affect you while some will reject you;
Misplace a comma, and some will correct you.
When they're annoying, or coy and flirtatious,
Just bite your tongue and pretend to be gracious.
Chorus
------------------------------
I made a few other changes, like "people" became "prospects." "People" sounded too broad, but another possibility there might be "suitors."
Anyway I've been rehearsing on it off and on all day and will try to record some takes tomorrow. :-)
Sheryl
Me like-y
Wow. That made a huge difference.
Very cool. I think I understand the usefulness of an editor in the writing business now.
Yea! Glad y'all like it this way! :-)
I've been recording and re-recording this evening, but I'm not happy with any of my takes so far. :-( I think maybe I had the input volume too high on the first few, but I'm sending them on anyway (like you said.) But I KNOW I can do much better.
I sung really well in one of my first takes, but apparently my recording program either did not like me using Quicktime or my headphones simultaneously while recording, and it sounded really tinny.
So I plugged my headphones into one of my other computers and listened to the music that way. The only problem with that method is that it makes it almost impossible to start the midi file and the recording at the same time. I think you said it didn't matter too much if there's extra space though. I can always go back and try to crop it if it's a problem, but for now I am just sending some wav files, so that you can experiment with them (if you want to.)
Trying to upload to mail bigfile right now. Looks like the site I was using takes 46 minutes per wav file and only lets you upload one at a time, so maybe I should look into one of those you were using. I think you mentioned one earlier in the thread.
Anyway, these are purely the vocals (without the midi to make me sound better--hahaha.)
My biggest problem with listening to the midi to sing along with is that I can't always anticipate when the music is about to start up. One of my sicker computers has notation I could follow, but the monitor is screwed. I have a lot of sick computers. sigh
Anyway, will send some links with files shortly. :-) Thanks! And thanks again for waiting so long for me to get this junker of a computer working...or mostly working anyway hahaha. :-)
Sheryl
Could you supress the upper frequencies some? Seems like there's an option in my sound software for something like that. It sounds to high pitched in some places. I think next time I record it, I'm going to try and subdue that aspect of my voice some. The lower pitches sound more natural, eh?
Here's another one. Now I am going to bed. Don't even ask what time it is here. lol
http://www.mailbigfile.com/0e81f66c7c9cee1ec85db31cb724a5b3/listFiles.php
In case I didn't mention it, I sure hate my voice without accompaniment. :-( Not that I suppose that that is actually relevant to getting a good sound file together, but I will keep at it till either I come up with a good wav file or my computer dies again (whichever comes first.) lol
Don't worry about vocal tone (as long as it's clean) - "We control the vertical, we control the horizontal..." I'm downloading them now; won't get to hear them until tonight. Keep those vocal chords healthy!
Well, like I said, I just sent these because you said to send all my takes. I wasn't happy with them. But I will get one I like eventually. :-)
Sheryl: if you want to do more takes, be my guest. This might help: http://boxstr.com/files/2076609_vjebz/OLD03midi.mid because (1) it has the note change you requested and (2) it has "clicks" to help you keep your timing in between the parts. Not that we really need more takes, but I sense your dissatisfaction :-) Let me suggest that next time, have fun with it... It's a funny song! Smile while you sing it! Picture yourself singing it to a bunch of preschoolers who are all giggling and waving their arms in time with the song - the old gray-haired music teacher is banging out the accompaniment on the scruffy upright piano in the corner (and taking nips out of the airline bottle when no one is looking) and at the end everyone cheers and digs into the ice cream. Don't worry about flubbing a word or a note or two or three - we have plenty of alternate takes now. Have some fun!
Thanks, Major Zed!
Here are some takes I did this evening before I read this latest comment. I don't think they are necessarily more expressive, but I felt I did a better job at hitting the right notes and timing my singing along with the midi in at least one of these takes (I think it was the 5th, but don't quote me.)
http://www.mailbigfile.com/c12bdfaeba1864d4749464e8b1c94d8d/listFiles.php
http://www.mailbigfile.com/491c19a841692f45ba01b6e653347865/listFiles.php
And here are two partial takes:
http://www.mailbigfile.com/939520b8de350f9ee088ffb5917a404a/listFiles.php
http://www.mailbigfile.com/4773b8ca7a21e8356e9050239e942fbb/listFiles.php
But thanks for the new midi.:-) Having some clicks could be useful because that really was a problem predicting exactly when the music was going to start up again. Appreciate that! :-)
You're right. I should try and be more expressive when I sing. I guess I am too self conscious about not sounding shrill.
I think my voice sounds better at a lower pitch. I think I will try shifting it down sound in my audio and see if that improves things.
Thanks Again!!!
Sheryl
No wait, it was Take 4 that I thought was best. It's still too high pitched, but I think I mostly kept within the time and to the notes.
But I think later today after I sleep I will try taking the notes down some and see what that does to the sound.
Just listing to the midi with the markers. That's much easier to come in on time. Thanks!!!! I'll try to re-record some take tonight. :-)
Just for phun, let's reveal the power of triple-tracking (takes 3, 4, and 5, with some effects)...
http://boxstr.com/files/2086293_mwzak/OLD_demo_080516.mp3
The bass goes Eric-generic at 0:12, but you get the idea.
Sheryl,
Just noticed in verse 3 the lyrics go
1) So you compare them, torment and scare them
2) And though you don’t like them, you don’t even spare them
3) You rank them and rate them and tease them and bait them,
4) Drag them through hell, then you don't even date them.
"You don't even..." occurs in 2 & 4, too close together I think. It works best in 4. Upon closer inspection, 2 doesn't quite make sense. If you don't like them, why would you care about sparing them? Lot's of "you" in there, too. How about
2) And if you don't like them, you don't have to spare them
3) Just rank them and rate them and tease them and bait them,
That is, if you're going to record more takes.... ;-)
And if you do, try saying 4 as "then ya don't even date them"
Peace
M*Z
>>108
That actually has a pretty good overall sound to it. Certainly not a finished piece but is going in a good direction.
Hi Major Zed,
Can't seem to get through to the boxstr.com site at the moment. I'll check back later for that.
Re: the meaning to "And though you don't like them, you don't even spare them."
That means that even though you are not interesting in people romantically, you are still dragging them through a courtship process unnecessarily, which you could in fact spare them from.
This happens when people either use the probability/fishing method of dating of chatting up everyone and then picking the most promising prospects that result. Or if not the probability method, then the jealousy method, where people chat up people they don't like in order to create a cult following from the opposite gender. In other words, they use people to make themselves look popular, so that the people they do like get competitive over them to win their prizes. And a lot of the song is about this insane sort of behavior, so I think it makes sense if you consider the context it's written in, even though I admit it is a little vague when isolated by itself.
I can see your point about changing the first "don't even" though to something else in order to avoid repetition.
I suppose I could change that to "you don't try to spare them." Just double checking that I haven't used "try to" anywhere close to that. Yeah, that would work. :-)
Thanks!! I was kind of lazy today and worked on something else, but I will do the re-records today and change that bit to avoid the repetition.
Smiles,
Sheryl
Although, it might be more clear if I sang, "and WHEN you don't like them, you don't try to spare them." Because obviously you like some of the people. Except I don't really like that. hahaha
How about, "And if you don't like them, you're not apt to spare them"?
That sort of gives it a double meaning that allows for your initial interpretation that one does not spare people they don't like them, but also still suggests that there are motivations for chatting up people who you don't actually have an active interest in and that maybe it's a bit brutal.
It could also be "when" instead of "if."
Ah... I reveal my inexperience with online dating. Suggest not using "apt" because it doesn't sound natural. "And [if/when] you don't like them, you won't even spare them"?
"won't even" doesn't sound much different from "don't even."
I'll ask my mom before I record anything new. She's always good for a second opinion. I don't think apt is too unnatural, although I agree that it's not as natural. There's still the "don't try to" option. Hahaha
Mom agrees about not using "don't even" twice, but she figures the "not apt to spare them" sounds natural to her. Let me record it that way a few times, and we can ask for others opinions.
I guess it could also be more normal here in Texas than in California as well. Maybe you are just not apt to say it there. ;-)
I think Zed's in New York or someplace east. But I rarely hear anyone say "apt" out here, except when I say it.
I like the powerpop direction this song is going. I listened to the triple-track demo and it sounded pretty good!
Hi There Talysman!
Well, I just recorded 3 takes with apt that I am uploading. I like the word apt, but I can always record another three with "don't try to" as well if you guys think it is too weird on the west coast. hahaha :-) I guess we are just apt to use the word more often down south. lol
The place markers/beats he added to the midi made it so much easier to record. I think it may have added some energy knowing when to start singing. :-)
Oh, the power pop sound is cool!! The link wasn't working when I tried last night. Neato! :-) Zed also doctored my voice up really well there, especially in some places. :-)
Very impressive sound engineering. :-D Wish I could do stuff like that with my sound software. I wonder if knowing what I was doing would make a difference. lol
PS That really is quite amazing. Keep listening to it. :-)
Asked my mom to listen and she said not to be offensive to me, but she heard my singing, and it wasn't my best. I don't sing high pitch as well. But that it was really impressive what he did there. :-)
OK, here's Take 7:
http://www.mailbigfile.com/f9ccaf36a19868d64ab3c2e023b2ee15/listFiles.php
I'll upload 6 and 8 tonight, but this was the best one from the batch with "apt" in them. I'll do some with "don't try to" tomorrow. :-)
OK, here's Take 6 and 8, and I will try recording them the other way later today (it's 3AM now):
http://www.mailbigfile.com/3fd081a4ebefa1eceb37ef97ce8dedc6/listFiles.php
http://www.mailbigfile.com/3da6d59d88025bac9978ee90fc30a95d/listFiles.php
Come to think of it, if Major Zed is in New York, I wonder if these are going to be up long enough. They supposedly keep them online for 3 days.
Maybe I should hold off sending anything else until I am sure someone is around to download them in California. Hahahaha
Thanks again for that beautiful mix, Zed!!! Absolutely amazing!
Really makes me anticipate hearing the rest of your mix. :-)
Sheryl
OK, I downloaded takes 7 and 8, and 6 is on the way. My day job (in Connecticut), however, is calling me. Will listen to the takes later and get back to you...
Oh, so you're not in California? Hahaha I was assuming you were in California like talysman. One should never assume anything. :-)
OK, well I'll also record some takes the other way and post them, but it sounds like there's no hurry then.
Considering what a brilliant job you did on that first bit and all the takes I have and am sending, it should be pretty darned cool!!!
Thanks so much!!!! I hope you are as tickled with this as I am because it really makes me smile to hear that MP3. :-)
Maybe I could just isolate some takes to the "so you compare them" stanza. Try out some different approaches and use the one that sounds the best.
That sounds like a good approach. No need to redo everything if you're getting happy with the rest. (p.s. "when/won't" has the Advantage of Alliteration.) If you're doing more takes, how about trying the chorus a little differently for the very end? Maybe "to / find / a / per / fect / maaaaatch" as quarter notes going up the scale with a whole note for "match". And yes, I was pleased with how good the last demo sounded.
OK, sounds like a plan! :-)
The latest takes are the strongest yet. I'm going to work on the other (instrumental) elements until you tell me there is no more vocal work coming from you.
Thanks. I didn't have a chance to work on it today, but I will definitely do so tomorrow (or rather later today since it's already morning.) Thanks!!
I can believe that the last were the best because knowing when the music was coming in really, really helped me. Many thanks again for adding that in.
I just recorded a few takes with "don't try to spare them," but I don't like the way it sounds. And I wasn't comfortable singing it that way. Whereas "apt to" sounds less common to you "if/when you don't like them, you don't/won't try to spare them" feels unnatural and ackward to me. I'll upload the takes, but I don't like them as much. That's just my opinion.
OK, here are the takes with "try to," which I don't like as much.
http://www.mailbigfile.com/696de4846acb72e3f66898c5afadea51/listFiles.php
http://www.mailbigfile.com/84e282fd2154771bc95f5882685b64cf/listFiles.php
http://www.mailbigfile.com/6ccc886d15378fe1a5495766b4a6f2b8/listFiles.php
Alliteration or not, I would never say, "and when you don't like them, you won't even spare them" in every day conversation, so I'm not recording that one. It's too weird.
I'm figuring out the notes on midi ending notewise that you mentioned, so I may just try and record it the way I think it should sound for what you were describing. Hopefully that will work.
Thanks!!! :-)
http://www.mailbigfile.com/f2ab4745e3ed552778cbe4310800079b/listFiles.php
OK, here's the ending the way I think you meant (3-4 takes in one file.) I extended the last note out even longer on the final take.
I never could get the notes on the staff in the midi to do this, and I was shifting them all over the place. lol Hopefully that's not because I am creating a new musical scale. Hahahaha :-)
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Tried to keep to the time, but since there was no midi in the background, I would imagine one version will probably come closer than the others.
And obviously I can redo this again and again if what I sent doesn't work. Just let me know.
Smiles,
Sheryl
BTW, insofar as this was my first project with the cartel, I'm wondering what you guys normally do with your songs once they are completed. Or is that decided in the forum as well?
If the final mix sounds as cool as that demo MP3 you uploaded the other day, I would be crushed if there weren't some attempts to distribute the song far and wide. :-) OK, maybe I am getting of things, but it's just what you guys have done is so magical, and I am obviously partial to my lyrics as well, so I really want it to be heard. Hahaha
But it got me wondering what was normal for the group.
Typically people have made posts in Live Journal Interrobang Cartel area. I often do the same in my personal journal as well. Depending on the relavance I also sometimes post in alt.religion.kibology newsfroup but that is typically when a song is related to some discussion in the group.
I usually host my own songs on my server, but we can put songs up on the IBC web site and John (Talysman) can update the MP3 page as well.
We also have a MySpace page that can get announcements as well.
You are also free to promote as much as you want.
Go to majorzed.com and check the links on the left to see where I typically put stuff. I expect to put this one on acidplanet.com and probably music.download.com, too.
Thanks, Charlie. So you guys wouldn't mind if I uploaded the final MP3 to my Soundclick.com account and archive.org pages (with credits to everyone obviously and links to the cartel page, etc)? Those sites are kind of like myspace, except they aren't owned by Rupert Murdoch.
I dislike myspace because they removed my song page I put up a year or so ago, saying I violated their terms of service, when I had done no such thing. If you want to upload it there, I wouldn't object, but I won't. My song they removed was a very anti-Bush political song that I wrote condemning the war in Iraq before it started, so probably some extreme far right winger made up some shit about me hassling them or something. That's the only thing I could conceive might have caused my song to be removed because I had the paperwork from the Library of Congress securing my copyright, it was completely original, and I had only visited the site to upload the songs and credit the folks who helped me produce it. There was absolutely no justification for it being removed.
I wouldn't have minded them temporarily removing material if they had an appeal process and actually confirmed that terms of service had been broken, but there was no way to appeal the decision. No review. So I thought fuck them--they are only a big game because people use them. I like soundclick better anyway. It's easier to use.
Glad to hear that the ending will work! :-) I guess that is mostly it? Just let me know if I need to re-record anything.
In the meantime, if anyone needs help with lyrics on their songs and wants my feedback or a female vocal on something in my vocal range, let me know. :-) That's about all I am good for, but I'd be more than happy to contribute if any has a need for me in another project.
Also, I have a zillion poems that could be converted into songs once everyone else's projects are completed...This was great fun once I got my computer fixed. :-)
Smiles,
Sheryl
Do you guys normally get LOC copyrights? I would be happy to pay for one if you guys wanted to officially protect the actual recording.
I don't know how that relates to my initially listing the song idea as Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives, but an LOC copyright gives everyone credit for their contributions, so I don't think it would be to anyone's detriment to get one.
Last time I did that it was something like $20, I believe. But if you would rather not, that's fine too. I just have done that with everything I am really proud of in the past. Not that it has actually done anything for me so far. lol Makes me feel like I am taking my art seriously though. Just a thought. :-)
As far as I know, the Creative Commons (http://creativecommons.org/) licenses are compatible with keeping your ownership rights. I don't see why a LOC copyright would be a problem.
If you haven't already, you should check out http://community.livejournal.com/interrocartel/ - after all, you are now a member of the band!
OK, great. I think it would be good too in that it makes it clear your claims as well because you did alter the the melody and add the harmony and such. It's not like it is just my song anymore. It has definitely grown in an exciting way I could not achieve on my own. :-D
Cool, and thanks! I'll check that out. :-)
BTW, here's the copyright form link that I was thinking about (if anyone wants to read it):
http://www.copyright.gov/forms/formpai.pdf
I think this is the right one. It might be the short form, but I think it's probably the PA. :-)
Just looking over the copyright form.
There's also a Form SR for sound recordings, but it just protects the one recording as opposed to the actual creative work as a whole. With the Form PA you can submit the music as an audio CD, so I think it is more protective of our rights as the actual creators.
Just for the record, all our material is protected by copyright, but we usually license it under some form of Creative Commons.
Registering a copyright under the LOC doesn't offer more protection, but it does serve as a record of the date of copyright, and allows you to collect more damages if you have to sue someone for stealing your work. Of course, that requires paying the legal fees... generally speaking, I don't think registering a copyright is worth it for the kind of thing we're doing. If we were offering a commercial CD, that might be different.
If you want to be "officially recognized" and pay for the privilege, then go for it. I think there's a way to do multiple songs at once that's cheaper per song than doing it individually.
I just want credit as producer... after I earn it!
Hmmm, they have upped the price to $45 as well, unless you use their beta upload. That's $35, but you have to pay before submitting, and I don't see anything in their FAQ about what happens if it doesn't upload properly.
But Major Zed, you are right that you can submit collections for the same price.
Besides Talysman, what if someone heard the song online and offered us a million, billion dollars to switch it to commercial? :-) I betchya hadn't thought about that!!!!!
Hey, a girl can dream!!! For some reason they never did that with my peace song like they were supposed to though. Hahaha
You know how they have vanity publishing? I guess this is more a case of vanity copyrighting, eh? Oh well. If I didn't have my fantasies, I'd be sunk. Life is too real otherwise.
OK, here are some recordings of me doing the ending again from the MP3. For some reason they don't sound as good to me. For one thing, one of the notes sounded off in that recording, so I wanted to compensate when I resung it, but it's hard to follow something that isn't quite right and get it right. Hahaha
But here are two files of me singing the end over and over and over again (several takes in each file.) Hopefully there is something good in there.
http://www.mailbigfile.com/42fc47342559a4b6802d25090ad0daac/listFiles.php
http://www.mailbigfile.com/63580a87b6389c9e2dbec33c5cab012a/listFiles.php
And of course, I can continue to re-sing it till there is a good take, so let me know if these aren't good.
Smiles,
Sheryl
Thanks. That's a lot better. I posted a new model at the interrocartel livejournal blog. Now let's hope we get some participation.
Good. :-) Would it be ok to invite people in the OK Cupid community I know to sing the ending? The song was based on observations from that site.
Sure... as long as they understand they have no rights to the finished product.
Oh, OK. That's a good point.